2960# "在你我之间这算什么"象征他同意了，但仍想由自己来预备或改造自己。这种解释可以从字面意义延伸到更深层的内在含义，即关于人的改造过程。先前，以弗仑说"那田地我给你，其中的洞穴我也给你"（第11节），这表明他们希望在教会和信仰的事上自我预备，即自我改造。这是那些正在经历改造之人的第一种状态，如2946节所述。当这些人在真理或信仰的知识上有所进步时，他们进入第二种状态：虽然表面上同意，但内心仍想靠自己来完成改造。本节正是描述这种状态。第三种状态随后出现，即他们开始相信改造是由主完成的。
【2】人们一开始会有自我改造的想法，原因在2946节中已经解释。但随着他们在真理或信仰知识上的进步，虽然承认是由主改造的，却仍想靠自己，这是因为无知的迷雾逐渐消散，对真理的确信随时间增强，并且通过获取真理的认知而使良善趋于完善。真理被植入其中的良善本身，会引导人们不仅承认，而且相信改造是由主完成的；这就是第三种状态。
随后是第四种状态，即他们能直接领受到改造是由主完成的。然而，很少有人在现世生活中达到这种状态，这是一种近乎天使的境界。但那些重生的人在来生会达到这种状态。
从这段描述中，我们可以看出，在其内在意义上，这里勾勒了属灵教会成员的成长历程：他们尚未成熟时的状态；他们开始成长时的状态；他们最终成熟时的状态。
2960、“在你我中间算什么呢”表示他同意了，但仍想凭自己实现它，也就是说，仍想凭自己去预备和改造，这从当适用于论述改造的内义时的字义清楚可知。前面以弗仑说：“那田地我给你，其中的洞我也给你”（23:11），这句话表示他们想在那些构成教会和信仰的事物上预备自己，也就是改造自己。因为那些正在被改造之人的最初状态就是这样（参看2946节）。但当他们在真理或信仰的知识或认知上进一步发展，或说学习更多真理、更多关于信仰的知识时，他们的第二个状态就到来了；在这种状态下，他们的确同意让主来改造他们，但仍想凭自己实现它。这就是本节所论述的状态；而接下来描述的是第三个状态，在这种状态下，他们真的相信是主改造他们。
前面已经解释了他们为什么一开始是这样（2946节）。但他们仍想改造自己，甚至当他们在真理或信仰的知识或认知上取得进展时仍这样想，其中一个原因是：无知的云层只能逐渐被驱散；另一个原因是：确认和强化真理是需要时间的；还有一个原因是：良善是随着我们吸收真理的知识或认知而被完善的。有真理植入在里面的良善本身引导人们不仅承认，还相信改造来自主。这是第三个状态，随后到来的是第四个状态，也就是当他们感知到改造来自主时的一种状态。然而，很少有人在肉身生活期间获得这种状态，因为这是一种天使状态；不过，那些重生的人在来世会获得它。由此明显可知，就内义而言，此处描述的是属灵教会成员，说明了当他还没有发展或成熟时的状态是什么样，当他开始发展或成熟时的状态是什么样，最后当他已经发展或成熟时的状态又是什么样。
Potts(1905-1910) 2960
2960. What is that between me and thee? That this signifies that he gave his assent, but still desired it to be from himself, namely, his being prepared or reformed, is evident from the sense of the letter when applied to the internal sense which treats of reformation. Above, it was said by Ephron, "The field give I thee, and the cave that is therein I give it thee" (verse 11), by which was signified that they desired to prepare themselves in regard to the things which are of the church and of faith, that is, reform themselves; that such is the first state of those who are being reformed may be seen above (n. 2946). But when they progress further in the knowledges of truth or of faith, then comes their second state, in which they indeed give assent, but still desire it to be from themselves; this is the state treated of in this verse; but a third state is presently described, namely, the state of belief that they are reformed by the Lord. The cause of their being such in the beginning was stated above (n. 2946). But that when they advance in the knowledges of truth or of faith they indeed acknowledge that they are reformed by the Lord, but still desire it to be from themselves, is for the reason that the cloud of ignorance is only gradually dispersed, and that the confirmations of truth are strengthened with time, and that good is perfected by imbuements of the knowledges of truth. It is the good itself in which the truth has been implanted that causes them not only to acknowledge but also to believe that reformation is from the Lord. This is the third state; and it is followed by a fourth, namely, that in which they perceive it to be from the Lord. But there are few who come into this state in the life of the body, for it is an angelic state; but they who are regenerate come into it in the other life. Hence it is evident that in the internal sense is here described the man of the spiritual church, and what his state is while he is yet immature; also what it is when he begins to mature, and at last when he has matured.
Elliott(1983-1999) 2960
2960. 'What is that between me and you?' means that he gave his assent yet still wished to achieve it by himself, that is to say, to be prepared or reformed. This becomes clear from the sense of the letter when applied to the internal sense in which reformation is the subject. Above, Ephron said, 'The field I give to you, and the cave that is in it I give to you' verse 11, and by this was meant their will to prepare themselves as regards those things that constitute the Church and faith, that is, to reform themselves. For the first state of those who are being reformed is such, see 2946; but when they are more advanced in cognitions of truth or faith, they have entered their second state. Then they do indeed give assent, yet they still wish to achieve it by themselves. It is this state which is dealt with in this verse, while the third state when they believe that their reformation is effected by the Lord will be described next.
[2] The reason these people are such at first has been stated above in 2946. But when they become more advanced in cognitions of truth or faith they do indeed acknowledge that their reformation is effected by the Lord, yet they still wish to achieve it by themselves. One reason for this is that the cloud of ignorance is dispersed only gradually; another is that it takes time for truth to be corroborated; and another is that the perfection of good comes with the acquisition of cognitions of truth. Good itself that has truth implanted in it leads people not only to acknowledge but also to believe that reformation comes from the Lord. This state is the third, and a fourth follows it, that is to say, a state when they perceive that it comes from the Lord. Few however attain it during their lifetime since it is an angelic state; but those who are regenerate do attain it in the next life. From this it is evident that in the internal sense here the member of the spiritual Church is described - the nature of his state when he has yet to develop, the nature of it when he starts to develop, and at length when he has developed.
Latin(1748-1756) 2960
2960. Quod `inter me et inter te quid hoc?' significet quod annueret sed vellet usque a semet, nempe praeparari seu reformari, constare potest a sensu litterae applicato ad sensum internum in quo agitur de reformatione; supra dictum ab Ephrone, `Agrum do tibi, et speluncam quae in illo do tibi illam,' vers. 11, quibus significatum, quod vellent praeparare semet quoad illa quae sunt Ecclesiae et fidei, hoc est, se reformare; quod status primus illorum qui reformantur, sit talis, videatur n. 2946, at cum ulterius progrediuntur in cognitionibus veri seu fidei, tunc secundus illorum status est, quod quidem annuant, sed usque velint a semet; de hoc statu in hoc versu agitur; at tertius status mox describitur, quod credant reformari a Domino. Quod tales sint in principio, causa dicta est supra n. 2946; quod autem cum progrediuntur in cognitionibus veri seu fidei, agnoscant quidem se reformari a Domino, sed usque velint a semet, causa est quia nubes ignorantiae successive discutitur, et quia confirmationes veri tempore corroborantur, et quia per imbuitiones cognitionum veri perficitur bonum; ipsum bonum cui implantatum est verum, facit ut non solum agnoscant, sed etiam credant, quod reformatio sit a Domino; hic status est tertius, quem sequitur status quartus, nempe quod percipiant quod a Domino; sed pauci sunt qui ad hunc statum veniunt in vita corporis, est enim angelicus; at qui regenerati sunt, in eum statum veniunt in altera vita. Inde patet quod in sensu interno hic describatur homo Ecclesiae spiritualis, qualis ejus status est cum adhuc immaturus, et qualis cum maturescere incipit, et tandem cum maturuit.