5089# "他们有些日子在监里"象征他们长期处在被拒绝的状态中。这从"日子"的含义可以得知，它指状态（参23，487，488，493，893，2788，3462，3785，4850节）；因此这里的"日子"指长期处于某种状态，即被拒绝的状态，这由"在监里"所表示（参5083节）。
内在意义中包含的这些具体内容，无法详细解释，因为这些事物无法用世间的事物来形成概念，比如属天之属灵者的概念，他在自然层面的状态（当内在自然层面焕然一新的时候），以及后来当新的层面形成而外在自然层面被拒绝时的状态。但是关于这些和类似的事物，可以用天堂中的事物来形成概念，这种概念不会落入任何由世间事物形成的概念中，除非是那些在思考时能够脱离感官事物的人。
人的思维若不能超越感官事物，使这些感官事物显得低下，就绝不能理解圣言中任何内在的事物，更不用说那些属于天堂、脱离世间事物的抽象概念了，因为感官事物会吸收并窒息这些概念。因此，那些感官化的人，以及专心钻研学术的人，很少能理解属天的事物；他们的思想沉浸在世间的事物中，也就是沉浸在由这些事物产生的术语和定义中，即感官事物中，无法再从中超脱出来，因此不能保持对这些事物的超越性洞察。
这样，他们的思维就不能自由地扩展到记忆中事物的整个领域，选择合适的而拒绝相冲突的，应用那些有某种联系的事物。因为如前所述，思维被封闭并沉浸在术语中，因而沉浸在感官事物中，无法环顾四周。这就是为什么博学者比单纯的人更不相信，甚至在天堂事物上更缺乏智慧的原因。
单纯的人能够超越术语和学术知识来观察事物，因此能超越感官事物；而博学者则不然，他们从术语和学术知识的角度观察，因为心智被束缚在其中，如同被关在修道院或监狱里一样。
5089.“他们有些日子在看守所”表它们很长时间处于被抛弃的状态。这从“日子”的含义清楚可知，“日子”是指状态（参看23，487，488，493，893，2788，3462，3785，4850节）；故此处“有些日子”表示它们很长时间处于“看守所”所表示的被抛弃状态（5083节）。在此充分阐明包含在内义中的细节是不可能的，因为它们具有这样的性质：对它们的概念无法在尘世事物的帮助下得以形成，如属灵人的属天层，以及当内层属世层正被变新时，以及后来当它已被变新，并且外层属世层被抛弃时，它在属世层里面的状态。但对这些及类似事物的某种观念能从天堂里的事物获得，这种观念是诸如不会转化为从尘世事物所获得的任何概念中的那类观念，除非人们在思考时能从感官印象被引离。
若非人的思维能被提升超越感官印象，以便这些在他下面被看见，他就无法理解圣言中的任何内层事物，更不理解诸如完全从尘世事物抽象出来的天堂事物；因为感官事物吸收并窒息它们。这解释了为何那些依赖感官并热情投入获得知识的人罕有理解有关天堂事物的任何情况；因为他们将自己的思维沉浸于诸如属世界的那类事物，也就是沉浸于从这些所形成的术语和定义中，因而沉浸于感官事物，他们不再能从感官事物被提升，从而被保持在高于感官的观点中。他们的思维也不能自由地延伸到记忆事物的整个领域之上，以便拣选一致的，抛弃相反的，利用凡以任何方式适合之物。因为如前所述，他们的思维被锁起来，沉浸于术语，因而沉浸于感官印象，以致它不能环顾四周。这就是为何学者信得不如简单人，甚至在天堂事物上没有那么敏锐的洞察力的原因。因为简单人能超越术语和纯粹的知识，因而超越感官事物看待事物；而学者无法如此行；而是基于术语和知识来看待一切事物，因为他们的心智沉浸于这些事物，因而可以说被囚在牢里，或监狱里。
Potts(1905-1910) 5089
5089. And they were for days in custody. That this signifies that they were long in a state of rejection, is evident from the signification of "days," as being states (see n. 23, 487, 488, 493, 893, 2788, 3462, 3785, 4850); here therefore "for days" means that they were long in the state of rejection which is signified by "custody" (n. 5083). The particulars which are contained in the internal sense cannot be here set forth more fully, because they are of such a nature that no idea can be formed of them from the things in this world; as for instance of the celestial of the spiritual man, and of its state in the natural when the interior natural is being made new, and afterward, when it has been made new and the exterior natural is rejected. But of these and similar things an idea may be formed from the things in heaven, which idea is such that it does not fall into any idea formed from the things in this world, except with those who while in thought can be withdrawn from sensuous things. [2] Unless man's thought can be elevated above sensuous things, so that these are seen as below him, he cannot understand any interior thing in the Word, still less such things as are of heaven abstracted from those which are of the world; for sensuous things absorb and suffocate them. It is for this reason that those who are sensuous and have zealously devoted themselves to getting knowledges, rarely apprehend anything of the things of heaven; for they have immersed their thoughts in such things as are of the world, that is, in terms and distinctions drawn from these, thus in sensuous things, from which they can no longer be elevated and thus kept in a point of view above them; thus neither can their thought be any longer freely extended over the whole field of the things of the memory, so as to select what agrees and reject what is in opposition, and apply whatever is in connection; for as already said their thought is kept closed and immersed in terms, and thus in sensuous things, so that it cannot look around. This is the reason why the learned believe less than the simple, and are even less wise in heavenly things; for the simple can look at a thing above terms and above mere knowledges, thus above sensuous things; whereas the learned cannot do so, but look at everything from terms and knowledges, their mind being fixed in these things, and thus bound as in jail or in prison.
Elliott(1983-1999) 5089
5089. 'And they were in custody for days' means that they lay in a state when they were cast aside for a long time. This is clear from the meaning of 'days' as states, dealt with in 23, 487, 488, 493, 893, 2788, 3462, 3785, 4850; so that 'for days' here means lying in a particular state for a long time - in a state when they were cast aside, meant by 'custody', 5083. A more lengthy explanation of the details contained in the internal sense here is not possible because they are not the kind of matters about which any idea can be gained with the help of things in the world, such as details about the celestial-of-the-spiritual man, about this man's state within the natural when the interior natural is being made new, and after that when it has been made new and the exterior natural has been cast aside. But some idea of these matters and others like them can be gained from things in heaven, which is the kind of idea that does not pass into any notion gained from things in the world, except in the case of people who, in their thinking, can be led away from sensory impressions.
[2] Unless a person's thought can be raised above sensory impressions so that these are beheld as existing so to speak beneath him, he cannot possibly discern any interior aspect of the Word, let alone things of heaven such as are totally removed from those of the world, since the senses take hold of them and stifle them. This explains why people who rely on their senses and have focused their attention on known facts rarely understand anything about the things of heaven; for they have immersed their thoughts in the kinds of things that belong to the world, that is, in terms and in definitions formed from these, and so in what the senses perceive, from which they can no longer be raised up and so preserved in a way of looking at things that is higher than the senses. Nor can their thought range freely any longer over the whole field of matters recorded in the memory, selecting those which agree and casting aside those which are contrary, and using those which are in any way appropriate. For their thought is locked up and immersed in terms, as has been stated, and consequently in sensory impressions, so that it cannot look round about. This is the reason why the learned possess less belief than the simple, and also indeed why they possess less discernment in heavenly matters. For the simple can view something from a position that is above mere terms and above known facts, and so above sensory evidence. This the learned cannot do; their viewpoint is based on terms and known facts because their mind is immersed in these. Thus they are bound so to speak in a dungeon or prison.
Latin(1748-1756) 5089
5089. `Et fuerunt diebus in custodia': quod significet quod in statu rejectionis diu essent, constat ex significatione `dierum' quod sint status, de qua n. 23, 487, 488, 493, 893, 2788, 3462, 3785, 4850; hic itaque `diebus' quod in statu diu, nempe rejectionis, quae per `custodiam' significatur, n. 5083. Singula haec quae in sensu interno continentur, fusius explicare non licet, quia talia sunt de quibus formari nequit idea ab illis quae in mundo sunt, sicut de caelesti spiritualis homine, de statu ejus in naturali cum naturale interius novum fit, (c)ac postea cum novum factum ac naturale exterius rejectum, sed de his et similibus formari potest idea ab illis quae in caelo, quae talis est ut non cadat in aliquam ideam formatam ab illis quae in mundo, nisi apud illos qui dum in cogitatione sunt, abduci a sensualibus 2 possunt;nisi cogitatio apud hominem elevari {1}potest supra sensualia, sic ut haec spectentur sicut infra, nequaquam sapere potest aliquid interius in Verbo, minus talia quae sunt caeli abstracta ab illis quae sunt mundi, sensualia enim absorbent illa et suffocant; inde est quod qui sensuales sunt, et studio incubuerunt scientificis, raro aliquid capiant de illis quae sunt caeli; immerserunt enim cogitationes talibus quae sunt mundi, hoc est, terminis et {2}definitionibus ab illis, ita sensualibus, a quibus elevari non amplius possunt, et sic teneri in intuitione supra illa; ita nec amplius potest cogitatio eorum libere extendi circum omnem campum rerum memoriae, et eligere quae conveniunt ac rejicere quae repugnant, et applicare quae in aliquo nexu sunt; clausa enim et immersa tenetur terminis, ut dictum, et inde sensualibus, ut circumspicere non possit; haec causa est quod eruditi minus credant quam simplices, immo etiam quod in caelestibus minus sapiant;
simplices enim intueri rem possunt supra terminos et supra scientifica, ita supra sensualia; eruditi vero non ita, intuentur ex terminis et scientificis, est enim mens in illis, ita vincta sicut in claustro seu in carcere. @1 possit$ @2 distinctionibus I$